Special Features – Marvel Movies for Kids, DC Movies for Adults?‏

Anthony Stokes on the “Marvel’s movies are for kids, DC’s for adults” debate….

We’re in the age of blockbusters and tentpoles and I personally couldn’t be happier, especially with Marvel. They’ve continued to produce quality, well-made movies with Oscar caliber storytellers at the helm and delivering a consistent movie going experience.  Their counterpart company with significantly less success is Warner Bros. / DC. I’m not a fan of their characters, their comics (outside of Batman of course), their business model, or their movies. 

Objectively it should be clear who’s the more successful company at this point – at least as far as movies go.  Marvel has the most brilliant marketing plan of any studio right now and continues to reap the benefits for what is essentially a never ending promotional machine. Their movies and TV shows function as long commercials, only adding more money in Marvel’s pocket whilst also giving the fans what they want, and if Guardians of the Galaxy is even a mild success that will only open the flood gates to what can be turned into a franchise.  But, if Marvel is a well oiled machine, then DC is a chicken with its head cut off, still technically functioning but not very efficiently or gracefully.  But if you ask DC fans the only reason Marvel is more successful is because they make kid friendly movies, while DC appeals to more mature viewers, resulting in less box office.  Basically Marvel movies are for kids, and DC movies are dark and more adult.   Okay, fair enough – let’s explore this dynamic and see if it has any legs.

Let’s examine first what constitutes a kid’s movie.  Well obviously these are movies which appeal primarily to kids. Let’s say a kid is somewhere between the ages of 4 up until around 13. That’s the end of being a toddler through to the start of being a teenager, and most kids movies are rated G to PG, at least in the United States. Now, if we use the certificates as a guide, Marvel movies are rated PG-13.  That said, most movies that are considered “kid’s movies” are really for all ages. Kids wouldn’t get all the satire in Shrek for example, but they still enjoy it just as much as their parents.  The only real kid’s movie in recent memory this year is Planes which really functions as a babysitting video to keep children busy.  Despicable Me 2, Monsters University and Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs 2, all entertain anybody, so therefore are they really kids movies?  Is the title “kid’s movie” something that’s even relevant anymore, considering most of them go straight to DVD?  I don’t think so, or at least not as a negative connotation, just like saying something is a “TV movie”.  In this golden age of television that’s not necessarily a bad thing.

So in my opinion I don’t think Marvel movies are kid’s movie because I don’t believe in that term. However, how accessible are they to kids? Who makes up the Marvel Cinematic Universe’s audience? Well according to Box Office Mojo, The Avengers had an evenly split demographic of under and over 25.  While it could be argued that parents taking their kids to the movies would account for the balance, this still very much debunks the whole “just for kids” argument.  All ages would be the apt description.

However, maybe those DC fans making this claim mean that Marvel movies are kid’s movies in comparison to DC’s “edgier and darker” body of work.  I still say this in very much incorrect.  Iron Man 2, the black sheep of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, could be considered lighthearted escapist entertainment, but that description certainly doesn’t fit the rest of Marvel’s movies.  Iron Man is a techno character study, The Incredible Hulk has very little levity in it, Thor is a Shakespearean drama, Captain America: The First Avenger is a war movie, and Iron Man 3 is a techno thriller as described by Shane Black.   Now a kid isn’t going to be able to appreciate the snappy dialogue in Avengers, or the mystery and political undertones in Iron Man 3.  A kid can really only enjoy the visual gags and the spectacle. 

And as far as Marvel’s movies not being as “dark”, first off this is a largely misunderstood and overused term as already explored in a previous article.  Towards the end of every arc in a Marvel movie our heroes are completely devastated – be it through personal failings, loss of loved ones, ineffectualness, or being totally defeated – especially Tony Stark in Iron Man, who is torn apart that his entire legacy has been a lie.  This is a really human character arc that makes him sympathetic.  This is why Iron Man 2 doesn’t work, because his character doesn’t have any real conflict.  And I’m not saying these movies are “dark”, but they’re a lot more nuanced then people give them credit for.  And as mentioned earlier, they’re guided by powerful and assured storytelling by Oscar-calibre directors who make every frame and every scene memorable, along with scripts that have great humour – which probably gives off the impression that they’re just comedies, or too kid friendly.

So then, let’s talk about Warner Bros. and DC now.  I already mentioned I’m not a big fan, but I think I have good reason.  They simply don’t make movies that appeal to me.  And these people saying “DC is darker” – if you ask them to give an example they’ll say The Dark Knight, Man of Steel and maybe the more informed ones will mention Watchmen.  I guess they forgot about Catwoman, Green Lantern, and Jonah Hex, which are considered amongt the worst of the comic book movie genre, and are definitely not dark nor edgy.  And while I would say The Dark Knight trilogy is edgy in comparison to say Catwoman or Green Lantern, I still wouldn’t consider it edgy or dark outside of that.  There’s the appearance of something that’s edgy, but really if you look at those movies overall they’re about hopefulness and faith in the face of a dire situation.  How many main or secondary character deaths are there in this entire trilogy, not including villains? From memory, one. I could be wrong, but isn’t that the same as the supposed kids movie The Avengers?  And while that certainly isn’t all that matters, it puts things into perspective, especially in The Dark Knight Rises, which by all means should have been an opportunity to kill off at least a few of the supporting characters.  And with Man of Steel as well, the tone seems to me to be uplifting and inspirational, especially with the final scene. 

Maybe if you’re only factoring in recent DC movies, sure – Warner Bros. makes somewhat “mature” movies.  If they continue to go on this road of pseudo edgy movies and they actually start to get better reception (outside of The Dark Knight Trilogy), then I’ll bury the hatchet and become a fan.  I certainly welcome competition and the two companies could complement each other very well.  But I don’t think Warner Bros. / DC is there yet and I don’t think Marvel Studios’ movies are these kiddie comedies that haters like to make them out to be.  Overall, what should matter is who makes better movies, which many can say is subjective. However, people vote with their wallets, and not being kid friendly didn’t stop The Dark Knight from becoming a huge success. If you make a great blockbuster people will see it and then see it again, regardless of who the target audience is.  I look forward to being a DC fan once Warner Bros. manages to find its groove.

Anthony Stokes is a blogger and independent filmmaker.

  • Ash Simp

    I watched the Dark Knight Rises recently for the first time since the cinema release and I really didn’t enjoy it. I just don’t find the characters engaging and the ending really isn’t exciting. Maybe if Bruce Wayne told a joke every now and then I’d care more about him.

    • Jon

      You really think a character is more engaging because he tells jokes? Seriously? This is one of the reasons why people come up with the whole ‘marvel is for kids’ notion.

      As for the article, it’s clear the author is biased, though, to be fair to him, he isn’t hiding it. And I disagree with your assessment that TDK trilogy isn’t edgy or dark. It certainly isn’t to the degree of films like Requiem for a Dream, but it can certainly be described that way . I know something like this is subjective by nature, but if you think a film about a madman blowing up a woman and causing her disfigured widower snap and go on a killing spree is not dark, I can’t imagine what qualifies in your mind.

      • http://delusionallosers.wordpress.com/ Anthony Donovan Stokes

        I’m biased in the sense that I prefer Marvel, but it’s only because they make better movies to me. I love The Dark Knight, but that’s really the only movie they’ve made that i like as much as say Ironman.

        And speaking about “dark” it’s funny because when you say the premise, yeah it’s certainly sounds like something that fits the criteria. But dark ultimately means cynical. There’s nothing cynical about TDK especially TDKR which approaches points of magical realism, relishing in cheese and corniness. Edgy? it has it’s moments, but ultimately it’s no darker or edgier then your average thriller, which ultimately what Nolan makes. There’s that lack of bite I always crave , Nolan going that extra step to kill a character or let the bad guy win, but it never happens.

        Chronicle is dark because it’s fun , but ultimately a tragedy and a character study about someone whose deeply disturbed.

        • Imran Khan Ehsan

          Biased is biased. Whether it be you’re liking something because it matches your taste or not liking because you’re haven’t got heart-to-heart with whatever thing, habit, movie, serial etc. Hating Nazis is not biased, they killed people. Completely disregarding a whole movie, The Dark Knight in this case, to the level of an inferior movie like Iron Man is Biased Biased.

          DC movies are dark-ER. Compared to Marvel movies, DC movies requires you to think than to just sit back and relax. In TDK, Joker kept on making you think what was happening, in Batman Begins, Ras’al Ghul shows out of nowhere, in Man of Steel, Superman kills Zod which made people go “What?! You MURDE–oh yes, he was going to fry that family. Good on you ‘S’ (Kal-El then replies: Its not an ‘S’)”

          But you also forgot one of the best DC movies of all time, V for Vandetta. It WAS dark and gritty. The protagonist dies in the end. The girl is severely tortured. And the politics is soo much in that movie that when I watched it when I was 15 I had to go and learn more about politics which eventually made me a really political person. I was this close in choose political sciences as my major because of that movie.

          DC movies makes you think. Its more mature. When I watched Avenger, except for the part where everyone is arguing in the helicarrier, there was nothing mature about it.

          This is a much better evaluation, even though it was published before MoS was released.

          http://screenrant.com/marvel-dc-superhero-movies-discussion-differences-avengers-justice-league/all/1/

          • http://delusionallosers.wordpress.com/ Anthony Donovan Stokes

            I didn’t disregard The Dark Knight I said I loved it. And I didn’t care for V For Vendetta. I’m not biased in what really matters in which makes better movies, if DC made better movies then Marvel I’d be a DC guy. And there’s nothing to say The Dark Knight is better then Ironman it’s all subjective, and furthermore I said I liked it as much as Ironman which doesn’t mean i think it’s a better movie i enjoyed it on the same level. Yeah you’re way more biased then I am.

          • Imran Khan Ehsan

            How am I biased? You said it yourself you didn’t care for V for Vandetta when it was clearly a great movie with an exceptional plot. You failed to mention Fantastic Four, Daredevil, Electra or X3. These were terrible movies. I’m bringing them only because your article brings Catwoman and Jonah Hex.

            I LOVED Iron Man 3. It was better than even Avengers since its plot was so well set up. I liked The Incredible Hulk as well. Captain America was a waste of time and so was Iron Man 2. Everyone knows that. These movies were made only for Avengers. 3 year old kid would know that.

            All I’m saying is, not all Marvel movies are better than DC. Look at IMDB for references. Marvel and DC movies which were in competition with each other, most of the time DC movies score better than Marvel. And when filters are changed maybe Marvel scores better. And when they are changed again maybe DC wins again.

          • http://delusionallosers.wordpress.com/ Anthony Donovan Stokes

            Lol you don’t understand that saying something is “clearly a great movie” is a biased statement. And I left out those because those weren’t under Marvel Studios as we know it those were Fox, Sony and whoever else had them. And I haven’t seen V For Vendetta in a while might check it out again saw it when i was a kid. If it’s anything like the Watchmen movie then I’ll be dissapointed. And I’m not sure V for Vendetta is technically a DC film, because I didn’t see their imprint attached to the movie anywhere and WB only distributed it but i could be wrong.

            I think Captain America and Thor weren’t that great because of the source material, but I still enjoy them very much and can’t wait for the sequels.

            Okay I’ll give you that not all Marvel movies are better then DC, but generally the Disney/Marvel movies are recieved better then DC’s, outside of TDK trilogy if you want to go there, but like i said overall it’s about the person..

        • Vish Gos

          “Quality, well-made movies with Oscar calibre storytellers at the helm”

          Ha! Ha! Ha! Are you stone mad??! Do you have any idea what “Oscar calibre” means??? Seriously, tell me one Marvel movie that has the script to compete at this level. On the other hand, DC enjoys an unsurpassable heritage of Oscar domination in the comic-book genre that speaks enough about the “quality” that you question: The Dark Knight (2 Wins 6 Noms.), Batman Begins (1 Nom.), Batman 1989 (1 Win), Batman Returns (1 Win), Batman Forever (3 Noms.), Superman (1 Win 3 Noms.), Superman Returns (1 Nom.). On the other hand, Marvel could only manage an Academy nom. previous year for Visual Effects. For the record, please don’t argue with DC about “quality”, no matter how many movies Marvel coughs out of its mulching machine, in every roster there is, the slot for The Greatest Superhero Movie is adorned by one and one movie only: The Dark Knight. Batman Begins occupies the second slot in most rosters. Let Marvel counter the Batman trilogy first, and then look beyond, which they never will be able to, and therefore stick to kid gloves in their own childish terrain.

          Whether Marvel’s kid stuff or not, compared to DC, is clearly not dictated by PG ratings. Even Dodgeball is PG-13, you’d call that “adult, dark and blah-blah”??? While Marvel villains like Loki and Red skull loll about with pansy plasma beams from toy guns and voodoo sceptres, DC villains like Joker severs out lips with knives, Bane brutally mashes back bones, Superman snaps necks, Constantine exorcises and Rorshach slits throats. Kids would love to snack on the candy floss lines in The Avengers (RDJ’s crackpot jokes, S.H.I.E.L.D. agents playing video games and Hulk’s Tom & Jerry antics with Loki). Iron Man 3’s “political undertones” is lollipop compared to the political gravitas of The Dark Knight vis-à-vis Harvey Dent’s electoral race. Thor was visual candy with a “get-banished-return-after-appeasement” theme. Captain America’s so-called war badge flakes off if it pits silly science experiments, blue laser guns against the military revolution by Bane, or the heavy machinery that delivers in the climax of The Dark Knight Rises. Even Man of Steel proves to be more brazen in warfare, with Star Trek grade Kryptonian technology and more heavier combat that involves thwarting both foe Kryptonians and their equally competent tech. And don’t get me started on Watchmen. Hell, go watch V for Vendetta if you want war and revolution from DC. Go watch Constantine or Batman Returns if you want bloodier and darker movies.

          The worst of the comic-book genre is not just Green Lantern, Catwoman or Jonah Hex. Marvel has its own blunders with Daredevil, Electra, the Punisher movies, Ang Lee’s Hulk, Blade III, Ghost Rider, Fantastic Four etc. Pit Marvel against the standards of Batman 1989, Superman I or II if you want more than the Batman trilogy. And what is this stupid complaint of no supporting characters in the trilogy??!! The Senator died in Batman Begins, Commissioner Loeb died in The Dark Knight (who assumed a pivotal position in Batman Begins) and above all, the Mayor died in The Dark Knight Rises, who was one of the central targets of the Joker in the prequel. Even Deputy Commissioner Foley, Gordon’s right-hand man died. Not to mention how Marvel resurrects even its dead characters like Phil Coulson. And how many recurring supporting characters got killed off in the Iron Man trilogy, huh??

          On the animated front, Marvel is a total wuss next to epics like The Dark Knight Returns, Superman: Doomsday, All-Star Superman, Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox since they embody far matured themes compared to sillies like Thor: Tales of Asgard or Iron Man: Rise of Technovore.

          The point is, you are engaging in dirty biased journalism. Marvel should never underestimate DC’s potential as DC’s every move may spell doom for them. DC has heritage, legacy and quality all rolled into one. Man of Steel could do what Iron Man, Thor or Captain America couldn’t: to become the most successful solo in both Cinematic Universes. And it’s just getting started.

    • Brian Douglas Macleod

      Six terrible words in response to that statement: “This is why Superman works alone.”

  • eliottsworld

    I think the biggest difference in the tone of the films from the two studios is realism vs fantasy. The Dark Knight movies set Batman in a setting grounded relatively firmly in reality. The marvel movies have been a bit more fanciful with their approach to comic book characters. This may come off as “mature vs childish” or what have you, but to me it’s about how the world the characters are set in react to the characters. Man of Steel followed the Dark Knight type of realistic setting and in my opinion suffered from it. I think a character like Superman is best suited to be in a world with a little bit more levity.

    • http://delusionallosers.wordpress.com/ Anthony Donovan Stokes

      Exactly

  • Ash Simp

    I think an issue with this article is you’re assuming Warner Bros. and DC’s films can be classed into a group. Can you think of anything, apart from being DC comic adaptions, The Dark Knight trilogy, Catwoman, Green Lantern, Jonah Hex and V for Vendetta have in common? Where the MCU is a connected world with shared themes and tones. If a film came out with all those DC characters it’d just confuse people. The article is basically comparing a franchise with a few films that have a small connection. If it was TDK trilogy vs the MCU it’d make more sense to go with the adult vs child angle.

    • http://delusionallosers.wordpress.com/ Anthony Donovan Stokes

      Well I’m not the one initially making the comparison it’s the DC fans so yeah I agree there’s really no such thing as a “DC film” because how different they all are, so that’s on the DC fans. EXCEPT, TDK trilogy and MOS which do have a similar approach and even a similar team behind it, and are similar in tone. notice I said ” if you’re only factoring in DC’s most recent films”, that’s what I was referring to.

      • Ash Simp

        Yeah it seems MOS was going to be the start of a DC cinematic universe which tries to replicate the tone of TDK trilogy, but they’ve only got one film announced for the next 2 years so it’s going to be either very slow or very small.

  • Guest

    “Quality, well-made movies with Oscar calibre storytellers at the helm”

    Ha! Ha! Ha! Are you stone mad??! Do you have any idea what “Oscar calibre” means??? Seriously, tell me one Marvel movie that has the script to compete at this level. On the other hand, DC enjoys an unsurpassable heritage of Oscar domination in the comic-book genre that speaks enough about the “quality” that you question: The Dark Knight (2 Wins 6 Noms.), Batman Begins (1 Nom.), Batman 1989 (1 Win), Batman Returns
    (1 Win), Batman Forever (3 Noms.), Superman (1 Win 3 Noms.), Superman Returns
    (1 Nom.). On the other hand, Marvel could only manage an Academy previous year
    for Visual Effects. For the record, please don’t argue with DC about “quality”, no matter how many movies Marvel coughs out of its mulching machine, in every roster there is, the slot for The Greatest Superhero Movie is adorned by one and one movie only: The Dark Knight. Batman Begins occupies the second slot in most rosters. Let Marvel counter the Batman trilogy first, and then look beyond, which they never will be able to, and therefore stick to kid gloves in their own childish terrain.

    Whether Marvel’s kid stuff or not, compared to DC, is clearly not dictated by PG ratings. Even Dodgeball is PG-13, you’d call that “adult, dark and blah-blah”??? While Marvel villains like Loki and Red skull loll about with pansy plasma beams from toy guns and voodoo sceptres, DC villains like Joker severs out lips with knives, Bane brutally mashes back bones, Superman snaps necks, Constantine exorcises and Rorshach slits throats. Kids would love to snack on the candy floss lines in The Avengers (RDJ’s crackpot jokes, S.H.I.E.L.D. agents playing video games and Hulk’s Tom & Jerry antics with Loki). Iron Man 3’s “political undertones” is lollipop compared to the political gravitas of The Dark Knight vis-à-vis Harvey Dent’s electoral race. Thor was visual candy with a “get-banished-return-after-appeasement” theme. Captain America’s so-called war badge flakes off if it pits silly science experiments, blue laser guns against the military revolution by Bane, or the heavy machinery that delivers in the climax of The Dark Knight Rises. Even Man of Steel proves to be more brazen in warfare, with Star Trek grade Kryptonian technology and more heavier combat that involves thwarting both foe Kryptonians and their equally competent tech. And don’t get me started on Watchmen. Hell, go watch V for Vendetta if you want war and revolution from DC. Go watch Constantine or Batman Returns if you want bloodier and darker movies.

    The worst of the comic-book genre is not just Green Lantern, Catwoman or Jonah Hex. Marvel has its own blunders with Daredevil, Electra, the Punisher movies, Ang Lee’s Hulk, Blade III, Ghost Rider, Fantastic Four etc. Pit Marvel against the standards of Batman 1989, Superman I or II if you want more than the Batman trilogy. And what is this stupid complaint of no supporting characters in the trilogy??!! The Senator died in Batman Begins, Commissioner Loeb died in The Dark Knight (who assumed a pivotal position in
    Batman Begins) and above all, the Mayor died in The Dark Knight Rises, who was
    one of the central targets of the Joker in the prequel. Even Deputy Commissioner Foley, Gordon’s right-hand man died. Not to mention how Marvel resurrects even its dead characters like Phil Coulson. And how many recurring supporting characters got killed off in the Iron Man trilogy, huh??

    On the animated front, Marvel is a total wuss next to epics like The Dark Knight Returns, Superman: Doomsday, All-Star Superman, Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox since they embody far matured themes compared to sillies like Thor: Tales of Asgard or Iron Man: Rise of Technovore.

    The point is, you are engaging in dirty biased journalism. Marvel should never underestimate DC’s potential as DC’s every move may spell doom for them. DC has heritage, legacy and quality all rolled into one. Man of Steel could do what Iron Man, Thor or Captain America couldn’t: to become the most successful solo in both Cinematic Universes. And it’s just getting started.

    • Ash Simp

      I think the article is addressing more recent films. Pre 2000 Marvel had nothing except Blade which is a pretty good horror film so obviously dark, DC had both a Batman and Superman franchise that started off fantastic and ended awfully, both franchises showing a mixture of dark tones and absolute cheese. But focusing on post 2000 the films can be split into serious films and fun films so with DC they did Batman, Watchmen and V, in my opinion, really solid serious films. But then they did Catwoman and Green Lantern which were supposed to be a balance between serious and fun and just failed miserably. Man of Steel tried to follow the former but it didn’t have the same quality. Then Marvel, for the most part, have always tried to balance serious with fun, with some success and some failures. While Spiderman was made with lighter tones it still had emotional moments, X-men was a lot darker and more serious in it’s tone. But the most recent Marvel films, the Avengers and their solo films, seem to have found the best way of making lighter feeling films without being cheesy, using models from Superman I, II and Spiderman. While DC seem to be going with darker ones, modelling after the Dark Knight trilogy, V and Watchmen. And it just makes sense as that’s where they’ve found the most success in the past. If you look at both companies most successful films, Marvel do fun well, DC do serious well. I personally find though, when Marvel put emotional moments in their lighter films they pull it off better than when DC try to put fun moments in their darker films.

    • Imran Khan Ehsan

      The article is not addressing that. Its addressing how DC movies looks bland in front of a Marvel movie because of lack of death of supporting characters or by how great story they have since they have Oscar caliber writers. I enjoy both movies but if I was asked which movies should be made more, Marvel or DC, I’ll tell them DC any day. Even the horrible catwoman bull-***t as well cuz I’m getting other movies like TDK trilogy, MoS (action wise), V for Vendetta, Superman 1 & 2, Batman 1989 and a few more. You can’t compare DC with Marvel. After YEARS in being in the Comic book business, Marvel started to catch up with DC decades later. Its the same case with movies. They came with a bang in comic books as well and they are doing the same in movies as well. It’ll take them good 20 years to produce a movie as close and condensed and rich movie like The Dark Knight.

      • Imran Khan Ehsan

        My last reply was to Ash, not to you Vish, you cool.

        • Vish Gos

          Thanks, Imran. I’m glad you’re one of us who doesn’t take this site seriously. The writer, Donovan Stokes, has a history of banging DC through his inflammatory articles. But after all, heritage and legacy speaks for DC any day of the week. I also forgot to mention how DC has ruled the small screen as well for a very long time. Smallville, Birds of Prey, and now Arrow has proved the prevalence of DC. Now Arrow’s kick-starting Season 2, Marvel is struggling to find ground with something as childish as Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

          • HolyFranchiseBatman!

            For someone who doesn’t take the site seriously, you spend an awful lot of time blindly defending DC with your misinformed information.

            Now, I enjoy both Marvel and DC, and I can’t dispute your earlier comment about DC animation destroying Marvel’s. They do completely, and have done for years. But DC hardly “rule the small screen.”

            1. I have no idea why you’d use Birds of Prey as an example, seeing as it didn’t even last a season and was rubbish.

            2. Arrow could only dream of the ratings Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has pulled in so far (and I don’t like S.H.I.E.L.D., before you accuse me of being biased – I prefer Arrow). So far, S.H.I.E.L.D. is utterly destroying Arrow when it comes to ratings. Look them up.

            3. Smallville never once pulled in the kind of ratings S.H.I.E.L.D. has either – and that’s (arguably) DC’s biggest character. You’d have to go back to the 1960s and Batman to find a time that a DC show pulled in more.

            4. What about the 1970s Incredible Hulk? Much, much more popular than Arrow, Smallville, Birds of Prey…

            So, why has Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. destroyed DC’s shows in the ratings? Because Marvel as a whole is far more popular with the general public than DC as a whole, that’s why. It’s just a fact I’m afraid. One you’ll have to learn to live with.

            Now turning to your earlier comments, DC movies have a few Oscar nominations – majority are technical, back when effects weren’t as good as they are now. Batman Forever having a couple of Oscar nominations does not mean it’s a quality movie. Personally, I prefer The Avengers to any WB / DC movie, barring Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. Fourth would probably be Watchmen. But that’s just my opinion – I can’t pass it off as fact like you try to with your opinion. I’m sure there are people who prefer The Avengers to The Dark Knight – if that’s the case, who cares?

            Marvel Studios has only made one bad movie – Iron Man 2. Fantastic Four, Blade Trinity etc… nothing to do with Marvel Studios.

            Marvel do not have “counter” The Dark Knight Trilogy. The Dark Knight Trilogy is done. Over. Warner Bros. and DC have to “counter” the Marvel Cinematic Universe (which I hope they can do one day, by the way). But they’ve played their one true ace – Batman vs. Superman – and if that can’t top the box office of The Avengers: Age of Ultron, no DC movie could. Will it? I don’t know. It might.

            Even if Batman vs. Superman makes $500 million more than The Avengers 2, it’s hardly “doom” for the MCU. Marvel have tonnes of movies in the pipeline… DC have one. I really doubt they’ll care. After all it’s Batman and Superman – the two biggest superheroes of all time. But if I had to put money on it right at this minute, I have to say I’d back The Avengers. Come on – an Iron Man movie has made over a billion. A BILLION. That’s like an Aquaman movie making a billion. It’s not going to happen for a loooooonnnng time, if ever.

            Now, like I said, I enjoy both companies, but I think it’s a bit rich that you call Anthony out for being biased when you’re obviously just a DC fanboy. And a misinformed one at that.

            Bottom line, Warner Bros. owns the entire DC roster, and beyond Batman and Superman, they just don’t have a clue what to do with the characters. If I was a DC fanboy, I’d be hoping another studio bought DC Entertainment, because it’s really just going to waste at the moment. Do you not find it utterly astounding that there is going to be a Guardians of the Galaxy movie, but WB can’t get Wonder Woman off the ground??

          • Vish Gos

            I said “prevalence”. Kind of like how Marvel is currently at the foothold with consistent releases, DC has been consistent in the small screen so far. Smallville, Birds of Prey, Arrow, The Flash, Gotham and Constantine adorn DC’s roster of TV outings, and the latter ones will in due course of time. Sure Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is getting more ratings, but Marvel’s fan base is more mammoth than DC’s, on top of that you have a not-so-popular character like Green Arrow. But even then, Arrow is very critically acclaimed (8.1 on IMDb). Whether Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. keeps up its ratings with time is another factor. And honestly, I haven’t been encountering good reviews about it lately.

            Whatever I’ve said so far is nothing false. Amidst some technicals (which you should face since Marvel is “considered” to be the top dog at visual effects), there have also been Oscars for cast and direction. Batman 1989 got one for Art Direction. Ledger’s win for TDK as well. Just because DC’s done with the Batman trilogy doesn’t mean it should be left unchallenged. Fine, if you want a DCU to MCU challenge at present, Man of Steel out-grossed all of Marvel’s solos like Iron Man, Thor and Captain America. When it comes to multiple character films, Batman vs Superman may as well pull out such an ugly surprise for both of The Avengers movies.

            And don’t get impatient about Wonder Woman or Flash. These developments happen under wraps as DC is making highly calculative moves right now. I’m happy that DC fixes it’s spotlight on singular movies on their roster during the slated year, rather than overpopulating perception with multiple movies during a year, Ant-Man coupled with Ultron for instance

          • HolyFranchiseBatman!

            DC doesn’t have The Flash, Gotham and Constantine yet. And even if all this make it to series, I’m sure Marvel would rather have a string of B-list heroes making hundreds of millions on the big screen and Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. beating Arrow, The Flash, Gotham and Constantine in the ratings.

            Green Arrow might be a B-list hero, but Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. are all original characters with no comic book history. Imagine what an Incredible Hulk series would do ratings-wise.

            Art Direction is nothing to do with directing a movie, it’s about designing the set and look of the film. It’s a technical award. Ledger’s win, what can I say? Fully deserved. And you say Marvel is “considered” top dog at visual effects – well going by your reckoning, they must be top dogs – The Avengers got an Oscar nomination for VFX, The Dark Knight Rises didn’t. So by your logic The Avengers is a better movie than The Dark Knight Rises.

            Like I said in my original comment, if Batman and Superman together in one movie (with both of their names in the title) can’t beat The Avengers at the box office, then WB has no hope of ever competing with Marvel Studios.

            I’m glad you’re happy WB only makes a movie every couple of years, but I’d rather enjoy (or at least try to enjoy) all of the Marvel movies while I wait for them to come around.

          • Ash Simp

            I don’t get why you think Marvel are overpopulating when each hero have their own characteristics, motivations and direction. They all have their own arcs and you could go as far to say the films all have their own genres.

          • Ash Simp

            Why is heritage and legacy so important to you? Why do you care more about what has already happened rather than what is coming soon? What would you like to see more; the Dark Knight for the 11th time or The Flash getting a cinematic release?

          • HolyFranchiseBatman!

            Exactly – if anything, you think he’d be pissed that Warner Bros. is letting all those characters go to waste.

          • Vish Gos

            Heritage and legacy is an identity that speaks for every generation that the studio has served through, I’m happy about The Flash, in case you didn’t know, that The Flash TV Series is currently under development and Barry Allen will appear in the eighth episode of Arrrow Season 2.

          • Ash Simp

            Isn’t that a bit disappointing that such a massive character is being used for TV rather than getting a film of his own?

      • Ash Simp

        Looking to the future, Marvel has the upper hand in terms of franchises. They have the Avengers, Spiderman and X-men franchises all with plans to add plenty of new films. And I’m looking to all the new entries to see the worlds they’ve created expand. DC don’t have that, they have a few one off movies and a completed trilogy and those were fantastic films but how often will they bring out new one off films that really work. I can’t imagine Marvel will make a film like V for Vendetta or the Dark Knight but I don’t think they need to, what’s the point in having one in five films being brilliant if the other four don’t hold up? I prefer five films that range between decent and great so I can stay involved with the world they’re creating as a group. It’s more exciting for the future that way.

        • flavor

          Sony owns Spiderman, not marvel, although he is a marvel comics character

          • Ash Simp

            Yeah and Fox owns X-men, Fantastic Four and maybe a couple more but all 3 companies are pushing they’re properties a lot more than DC are.

      • http://delusionallosers.wordpress.com/ Anthony Donovan Stokes

        I knew somebody would get hung up on the character death thing