Flickering Myth’s Oli Davis sits down with Anthony Mackie and Sebastian Stan to talk about their movie Captain America: Civil War…
The Captain America: Civil War roundtables were conducted in a single hotel suite. Actors and actresses were moved between the rooms in pairs, to be set upon by groups of up to 12 eager journalists. The problem is, being a hotel room, the toilet is right next to where everyone sits. If you need to go, it’s best to make it both quick and quiet.
Not everyone heeded this advice.
Anthony Mackie and Sebastian Stan play the Marvel Cinematic Universe’s Falcon and Winter Soldier, respectively. Surprisingly, they are Civil War’s funniest double act. They are that way in real life, too.
On their arrival, Stan stood intently outside the toilet door with a writer unwittingly inside. Mackie announced his arrival to the room.
“My name’s Anthony Mackie,” he boldly declared. “I play The Falcon. This is Sebastian Stan. He plays The Winter Soldier. Any questions, direct them towards us and we will answer accordingly. This is the press junket for Captain America: Civil War…I’ve gone into interviews where people have asked questions about other movies, so no judgement, I’m just keeping it real.”
The journalist exited the toilet beet red. The Winter Soldier was right there waiting for her. Everyone found this hilarious.
It was the a common trait across all the Civil War interviews – everyone was having an immensely good time. It must help when the film you’re promoting is so well liked, and travelling with a cast with multiple movies together behind them. Mackie, Stan, Chris Evans, Emily Van Camp, Paul Bettany, Anthony and Joe Russo – it must be like going on a round the world trip with your best friends.
“I think the reason why Marvel movies work so well,” Mackie began, about the entity that holds them all together, “and the reason the MCU is so appreciated and sought after, is because it’s a combination of both [independent and blockbuster filmmaking].”
The room suddenly darkened. “It’s London, that’s a cloud,” Mackie helpfully pointed out.
“We’re under attack,” Stan drolly observed, now seated and speaking from beneath a tilted-down flat cap.
“The MCU,” Mackie continued, “because of the way they’re written and directed, is more about characters and story and exposition than it is about blowing stuff up and looking cool. If you look at the people the Russos have cast, they don’t cast the people who look the most like the character in the comic book, or who will look the best in the uniform, they cast the best actor they can find. I mean, we have William Hurt and Daniel Brühl. It’s a really good cast of actors…that just happen to wear funny costumes.”
“William Hurt was so good in Mrs. Doubtfire,” remembered Stan. Everyone looked at him, bemused. “I was just thinking about his filmography.”
I checked after the interview just to make sure. William Hurt isn’t in Mrs. Doubtfire.
In Civil War, Mackie and Stan share several brilliant moments with Tom Holland’s Spider-Man. I wanted to know if they actually shot any scenes with Holland, or if it was just the magic of CG-
“You have beautiful eyes, by the way,” Mackie cut me off. “Will you look at his eyes! You’re like the piercer of eyes. Are you wearing mascara, or is that just your eyes? God, you’re a handsome man! Jeez, Louise…”
This actually happened. There is audio in the Flickering Myth Podcast #24 to prove it.
“We did get to shoot with kickass Tom,” Mackie continued, once he’d composed himself. “He came in and did his little thing, then he went off for his juicebox break. Every two hours he literally has to have a juicebox. It’s the most pitiful thing I’ve ever seen.”
“He’s going to get so many questions about the juicebox,” Stan mumbled.
“It’s funny because the Canadian government has apologised for Bryan Adams for the past 30 years,” Mackie joked. “And the English government will have to do the same for Tom Holland.”
Civil War’s airport fight scene looked tremendously fun to shoot, and – seeing how jovial they were both being here – I asked if everything was as silly between takes.
“They weren’t even calling action after a while,” Stan recalled. “They were just like, ‘Do it! Now! Hey!’ Sometimes it was a little hard. In the scene where [Mackie and Chris Evans] come in and they find Daniel Brühl on the floor, we did get on the giggles one time, and it was really hard to snap out of it.”
“Yeah, it happened a lot,” Mackie agreed. “We joke about Tom a lot, but he was really phenomenal to work with. Being Spider-Man is a daunting task, and he stepped in swinging. He was humble, he was sure of himself, he fell into the Universe in a way that I know I couldn’t if I was his age. I would’ve probably got fired. But he was great. He was a real pleasure to work with.”
Earlier in the day, I had asked Chris Evans if Captain America was actually in love with Bucky Barnes. A bisexual Steve Rogers is a popular fan reading online, and Evans revealed it never factored into the way he played the character. The same question was posed to the object of Cap’s supposed desires – Sebastian Stan.
“God, you’re beautiful,” Mackie blurted out at me again. “This guy’s killing me over here! Hungry eyes over here. What’s your question?”
The theories behind Captain America and Bucky’s relationship was explained again.
“It’s a difference in time,” Mackie observed. “If you look at different generations, the idea of being a man was vastly different to what it is today. The camaraderie, the – as you call it now – bromance, between two men was accepted. It was almost the way you’d be someone’s friend. Today, it’s more about borrowing someone’s car or using their cell-phone. It’s just a different way of being someone’s friend.”
“And in 2016,” Stan continued, “we were so saturated with all kinds of perspectives. But the great things about the movies is that the audience can come in there and bring their own baggage. They see whatever they want to see. That’s great.”
“On the same accord,” Mackie interjected, “it’s like The Falcon and Black Widow’s interracial relationship. You have a strapping, young, chocolate lad. A beautiful, red-haired assassin. Imagine the love that happens. Hot like an oven.”
“It’s interesting that Black Widow doesn’t seem to be aware of it,” Stan pointed out.
“Very aware of it,” Mackie corrected. “If she was here, she’d talk about it. I called her and said, ‘we need some press pointers on how we’re going to talk about this love affair, because it might be scandalous. Not everybody’s OK with the chocolate, strawberry cappuccino.”
“It’s an intense flavour,” agreed Stan.
The person to my left suggested the romance be called a ‘Black Russian’.
“Shots fired!” Anthony yelled. His huge grin had somehow become even wider.
Stan put his head in his hands. “You just handed him such a pile of gold.”
“That’s it!” Mackie continued shouting. “All day! Tweeted!”
Head to the next page for Anthony Mackie wanting a DC/Marvel crossover between Falcon and Aquaman, what to expect from Avengers: Infinity War and how Sebastian Stan filmed Civil War’s motorbike flip moment…