To try to get everybody back on track, I asked Stan about one of the film’s coolest moments: when the Winter Soldier grabs a moving motorbike off someone during the tunnel chase scene, hops on and changes its direction in mid-air.
“God, this guy is unreal,” Mackie jumped in about my eyes again before Stan could answer. “I mean, come on. Are you serious? Nobody else feels it?” Mackie turned to the other half of the room. “You guys are lucky you’re sitting behind him. Nobody else feels this? Anybody have some glasses or shades?”
Someone offered a pair of thick, prescription glasses.
“That’s only gonna intensify it!” cried Mackie.
“There were a few parts to it,” Stan finally answered. “Basically it’s almost like they freeze frame it and then I switched with the stunt man and grabbed [the bike] at the end.”
Civil War is a tremendous accomplishment – arguably the crowning achievement of the Marvel Cinematic Universe so far, containing almost every principle character and paying off on several huge story arcs from Phase I and II.
“Marvel are the only franchise that have ever done this,” Mackie praised. “Every movie is a continuation of the one that came before it. So you form a relationship with these characters, almost like watching a TV show. We’re basically doing a TV show in movie form.”
“Right now we’re at a place where people don’t just go to the movies. People take their families to the movies. People take their kids so they don’t have to deal with their kids, and they can just sit them there and watch a movie. So you have to do something that entertains the parents as well as the kids. So there’s a sweet spot you have to be in.”
“You see it with all the Pixar movies. If you watch Shrek, that’s not a kid’s movie. There’s some really complex themes in that. And some jokes that we get, but the kids are like, ‘eh, didn’t get it’. There’s a sweet spot you have to hit and Marvel does it amazingly well. What they’ve been able to do is make these superheroes human. So when you look at Guardians of the Galaxy, you didn’t see a random dude in space hanging out with a racoon and a tree. When Groot died, everyone cried.”
“He died?” Stan asked, shocked.
“Sorry,” Mackie apologised. “They’re able to take these fictional characters and make them human. And I haven’t seen another franchise that’s been able to do that for over a period of 10 years and 12 movies.”
But Marvel’s arch-rivals DC are trying…
“Hey, hey…come on now,” Mackie warned.
“We can’t talk about that,” Stan explained. “But we can talk about Aquaman.”
“Most anticipated movie of the next 20 years! Cannot WAIT for Aquaman,” Mackie cried.
Stan began to sing ‘Under the Sea’ from The Little Mermaid in the background.
“Is this dude just hanging out with fish!?” Mackie joked, obviously trying to antagonise the DC fanbase. He seems to revel the Expanded Universe feud more than anyone else at Marvel.
“It’s a really interesting comic book,” Mackie continued with a cheeky glint in his eye. “He talks to fish. And being a superhero that in the comic book talks to birds, I’m interested to know how they’re going to make him. They’re tearing up New York, and he’s just riding a dolphin!?”
“I only knew about him because of Entourage,” Stan mumbled to no-one in particular.
“If you get in a fight with him, he just takes a fish and hits you,” Mackie exclaimed. “And he’s Jason [Momoa]. He’s handsome.” At this point, he turned and pointed directly at me. “Second to you.”
“Hungry eyes over there,” Stan echoed.
The next big Marvel movie is Avengers: Infinity War, the two-part epic that everything has been building towards so far. But what can we expect from it?
“You can expect the unexpected,” murmured Stan.
“A war of infinite proportion!” Mackie shouted, very pleased that he wasn’t giving anything away.
Would Aquaman ever get involved?
“That would be good,” Mackie imagined. “Falcon and Aquaman? He’s on his dolphin. I’m on my bird. I’m holding onto the back of the dolphin – ‘SLOW DOWN!'”
“This is why it’d be so great to see DC and Marvel movies together. It’d be so funny. Like DC/Marvel speed dating. That would be a great series. ‘So you ride fish?’ Cut. See, that would be hilarious!”
Marvel’s “Captain America: Civil War” finds Steve Rogers leading the newly formed team of Avengers in their continued efforts to safeguard humanity. But after another incident involving the Avengers results in collateral damage, political pressure mounts to install a system of accountability, headed by a governing body to oversee and direct the team. The new status quo fractures the Avengers, resulting in two camps—one led by Steve Rogers and his desire for the Avengers to remain free to defend humanity without government interference, and the other following Tony Stark’s surprising decision to support government oversight and accountability.
Captain America: Civil War is out in the UK and United States now, with Anthony and Joe Russo (Captain America: The Winter Soldier) directing a cast that includes Marvel Cinematic Universe veterans Chris Evans (Steve Rogers/Captain America), Robert Downey Jr. (Tony Stark/Iron Man), Anthony Mackie (Sam Wilson/Falcon), Jeremy Renner (Clint Barton/Hawkeye), Scarlett Johansson (Natasha Romanoff/Black Widow), Sebastian Stan (Bucky Barnes/The Winter Soldier), Elizabeth Olsen (Wanda Maximoff/Scarlet Witch), Paul Bettany (The Vision), Don Cheadle (James Rhondes/War Machine), Paul Rudd (Scott Lang/Ant-Man), Emily VanCamp (Sharon Carter), Frank Grillo (Brock Rumlow/Crossbones) and William Hurt (General Thaddeus “Thunderbolt” Ross) alongside new additions Chadwick Boseman (Get on Up) as T’Challa/Black Panther, Daniel Bruhl (Rush) as Baron Zemo, Tom Holland (The Impossible) as Peter Parker/Spider-Man and Martin Freeman (Sherlock) as Everett Ross.