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Rumour: Colin Trevorrow fired from Star Wars: Episode IX due to disagreements over The Last Jedi

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Back in September it was announced that Jurassic World helmer Colin Trevorrow had parted ways with Lucasfilm and would not be directing Star Wars: Episode IX due to “creative differences” (subsequent reports also claimed he was fired for being “unbearable”).

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Well, while we certainly caution having your pinch of salt at the ready for this one, a rumour coming out of Reddit claims to have some inside info on these creative differences, and they all stem from Trevorrow having issues with Star Wars: The Last Jedi – specifically the deaths of Luke Skywalker and Supreme Leader Snoke.

“There were two key things Trevorrow wanted to be changed – and they were not minor”, claims the rumour. “These two things have been known for a while around Disney. Firstly, he wanted Luke to still be alive in 9. He strongly disagreed with killing Luke off in 8 when he had just been re-introduced. Luke and Leia were to be a pivotal part of his script, with Leia’s Force affinity revealed in a much more brother/sister way that was apparently going to be ‘beautiful and tragic’. Mark Hamill loved it. ‘We were on the same page,’ as he’s said about Trevorrow’s storyline. However, Kennedy and Johnson wanted Luke dead – period. Second, he wanted Snoke to live, as his back story was to be more discussed. Fisher dying scuttled his original plan for the Leia Force affinity reveal, of course. But he still needed Luke alive for the story he wanted to tell to end the trilogy – more of a Luke handing off the baton to Rey and a Luke ‘walking off into the sunset’ idea, in the last film – rather than Luke dying in 8. They refused. He argued. They fired him.”

Now, it’s entirely possible this is bantha poodoo, but as the report claims, Mark Hamill did praise Colin Trevorrow’s plans for Luke Skywalker in Episode IX, so perhaps there is some truth in it. However, Trevorrow didn’t leave the project until September 2017 – a year after filming on The Last Jedi got underway, at which point he’d surely have been fully aware that Luke and Snoke weren’t going to be available to him. So, even if his original vision did include Luke, it’s hard to imagine he’d have spent the next twelve months arguing for major Last Jedi changes and working on a script that completely went against the previous chapter – or that Disney and Lucasfilm would have let him go for that long before giving him the chop.

As it happens, J.J. Abrams is now set to round out the Sequel Trilogy by directing Episode IX, and has now completed the screenplay ahead of a summer shoot.

SEE ALSO: Rian Johnson calls the conversation around Star Wars: The Last Jedi “wonderful”

SEE ALSO: Star Wars: The Last Jedi novelisation has revealed details of Snoke’s violent past

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In Lucasfilm’s Star Wars: The Last Jedi, the Skywalker saga continues as the heroes of The Force Awakens join the galactic legends in an epic adventure that unlocks age-old mysteries of the Force and shocking revelations of the past.

Star Wars: The Last Jedi sees returning cast members Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker), Carrie Fisher (Leia Organa), Adam Driver (Kylo Ren), Daisy Ridley (Rey), John Boyega (Finn), Oscar Isaac (Poe Dameron), Lupita Nyong’o (Maz Kanata), Domhnall Gleeson (General Hux), Anthony Daniels (C-3PO), Gwendoline Christie (Captain Phasma), Billie Lourd (Lieutenant Connix), Andy Serkis (Supreme Leader Snoke), Peter Mayhew and Joonas Suotamo (Chewbacca), Tim Rose (Admiral Ackbar), Mike Quinn (Nien Nunb) and Warwick Davis joined by new additions Jimmy Vee (Pan) as R2-D2, Kelly Marie Tran (Ladies Like Us) as Rose, Benicio Del Toro (Guardians of the Galaxy) as DJ and Laura Dern (Jurassic Park)

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  2. Whether true or not, this makes sense. What Rian and Lucasfilm did with TLJ is equivalent to someone going into a jewelry store, wrecking the place and then choosing to leave with nothing. At the same time, they left their mess for someone else to clean up. If you look at all that TFW set up and how TLJ ignored all of it, it is easy to see that somehow Kathleen Kennedy and Lucasfilm are having some internal communication failures. Consider this:

    1) TFW- We waited the whole movie to see Luke. In TLJ we almost didn’t want to see Luke. (almost).
    2) Why give so little screen-time to Snoke yet prop him up to be the leader of such a large organization if your plan is to have him easily whacked in the next episode?
    3) We will never get to see our heroes in action together again. Han and Leia had some dialog, that’s it. Han and Luke were never on screen together. Han and Lando will never be on screen together. Luke and Leia will never be in action together and we really didn’t even get to see Fin and Rey in action again together. Between EP 4 and EP 6 this (seeing our heroes in action together) happened at least once in every movie. There is no longer a feeling of a team working together to beat the bad guy.

    There are other points, but overall what I see is that Lucasfilm did not sit down and do a proper plan of how this story should have progressed. Too much secrecy can kill you. They should have sat down with Abrams, Johnson, and Trevorrow and said here is the path. These are the details that must carry through into each movie. Come back to me when you “COLLECTIVELY” have a story. If that had been done, the trilogy would have a much smoother flow.

    As it stands right now, Abrams is stuck cleaning up Johnson’s mess. Abrams: Your job is, “How can you save Star Wars theatrically?”

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    • We get it. You didn’t like it. Tons of people did. TLJ was the best written Star Wars movie since Empire. Who in their right mind thought this trilogy was supposed to be focused on Luke/Leia/Han? It was always, at a minimum, Rey’s and Finn’s. Poe was supposed to die originally but they liked Oscar Issac so well they changed it.

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      • Best written, how? If you’re basing it on the foundations of great story telling, it’s a major failure. The entire movie revolved around a linear (literally) solitary conflict and the characters ultimately (and pointlessly) failing stop it. The story in no way progressed or elevated itself to another level. It started with the Resistance in shambles trying to outrun TFO and ended with the Resistance in shambles trying to outrun TFO, minus the most iconic character of the series… There was no reason to tell this story, as it added nothing to the over-arching tale. It was the blink of an eye in the grand scheme. Why waste it on such an ineffective and arbitrary moment? Horribly written and executed.

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          • No it doesn’t. Two thirds of TLJ of the characters actions are pointless with countless plot flaws that do nothing to change the outcome. It’s a terribly written story. In ESB they lose Han but in doing so gain Lando who vows to help them rescue Han ultimately destroys the death star. It’s a great middle movie because it leaves you wanting more. TLJ just leaves everyone with little to nothing.

          • Every Star Wars movie there has ever been has had plot flaws. That you choose to notice them now is on you.

          • While this is true, what movie has had so many flaws to the point that the movie itself seems irrelevant to the overall story?

          • it’s different in TLJ. the flaws slapped you right in the face and woudn’t let you forget. every step was a mistep, every plot point either pointless or frustratingly out of touch with star wars. bad movie.

          • Also, besides the Han and Lando “trade off,” you have the discovery of Yoda, Luke’s growth in using the Force, his confrontation with “Vader” in the cave , revealing his own possible fall to the Dark Side, and the revelation of Vader being Luke’s father. The characters drove ESB. That is what makes it the best film of the saga . So Jacob Rose, you are absolutely wrong on ESB.

          • Actually it isn’t, but previous posters have assisted me in shooting down that argument. Thanks, guys!

        • Not to mention they broke the mechanics of the entire franchise, making all death star weapons obsolete. Hyperspace a ship through them, job done. Any threat/conflict, just hyperspace a ship through it. TLJ killed the franchise.

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          • Hyperspace kamikaze attacks wouldn’t do all that much. Snoke’s flagship was still more-or-less operational after the attack, and could be repaired. To cause that kind of damage they had to sacrifice a capital ship. It’s not an efficient use of resources compared to the results that it gets.

            And who honestly cares about Snoke’s backsory? We had to wait 16 years before we actually found out the first thing about Palpatine. And what, 30 years until wefound out his first name? Getting rid of Snoke leaves more room for Ben, who is infinitely more interesting.

            Rey’s parents are NBD. Really, do we need another Skywalker? Expand the scope of he story. And yeah, it’s nice to have something other than “your destiny boils down to being the child of someone famous”.

            No Phasma? No problem. She was useless in the first movie. Why should Johnson continue threads that didn’t work? Better to trim the fat.

            Did any of you really expect the focus of an action drama to be on a bunch of folks in their 60s and 70s? Their purpose should be to set up the next generation and to get a glorious sendoff. They managed to do that for Han and Luke, but probably won’t get to for Leia.

            I’d really love to hear what some of the plot holes and inconsistencies people seem to think are plaguing this movie.

          • He was emperor of the empire and Vader’s master who had powers, we pretty much knew what we needed to know.

          • Who cares about Snoke’s backstory? Really? How could someone gather such a massive organization even bigger and more powerful than the previous Empire, who was led by an astonishingly formidable leader? Reminder: we didn’t need Palpatine’s story because we were centered on the Skywalkers. And for Kylo to be interesting, we needed Rey (his now only antagonist) to also have a back story but no. She just is.

          • yeah but to just kill off Snoke was stupid. The Emperor wasn’t really in the movies but you knew he existed. Can you image how lame it would have been to kill off the emperor in esb?

          • “Snoke’s flagship was still more-or-less operational after the attack, and could be repaired.”

            Ha ha ha … You made my day !!! More-or-less operational ?? It was split in half ! What movie did you see ? If that ship was “more-or-less operational” (which means useless purple head admiral Holdo died in vain) then Vader’s ship Executor must have been left in pristine condition at the end of ROTF.

            Q: “And who honestly cares about Snoke’s backsory?”
            A: Three quarters of Internet population. Will that do ?

            Q: No Phasma? No problem. She was useless in the first movie. Why should Johnson continue threads that didn’t work? Better to trim the fat.”
            A: You do realize you made no sense here, do you ? I mean, before TLJ we were left to believe that Phasma died in TFA – therefore if Johnson wanted to “trim fat”, why bring her back again ?

            “I’d really love to hear what some of the plot holes and inconsistencies people seem to think are plaguing this movie.”

            So, since when an ordinary TIE fighter can blow up the bridge on a Calamari Cruiser (Star Destroyer equivalent) with just one shot ??? That wasn’t a problem in really big battles like those on Endor and Scarif. I mean … come on !! That was stupid and unrealistic. And how on Earth did Kylo Ren flew into the hangar when we know those entries are shielded ? And how did he get out ? And why retreat the TIE fighters after destroying all Resistance fighters and pilots (bar Poe) ? To protect them ? Protect them from what ? You’ve just annihilated all cruiser’s protection !!! And since when does TFO care about TIEs anyway ?? And given that ONE SINGLE ORDINARY TIE had SO MUCH success against the Cruiser, why not send 50 of them to finish it of in 5 minutes so all the spectators can go home, especially since the cruiser was now defenseless ? Why not light speed a Star Destroyer in front of the Calamari and have a frontal attack as well ?

            Did you notice that all ships (and I mean ALL !!!) had the EXACT SAME MAXIMUM speed ?? What a coincidence ! Did you ever think that a transporter will go faster than all the war ships around ? I thought Millennium Falcon was likely one of the fastest ships ever built yet, still slower than a Star Destroyer.

            So they could track through hyperspace and detect any incoming out of hyperspace but TFO is not able to detect dozens of transports leaving the Cruiser ?? REALLY ???

            Maybe you missed the part where the bombs were FALLING in the space void … And the bomber itself falling afterwards … And bombers are known to have the TOUGHEST shields of all small ships, well capable of sustaining long and heavy fire !! Not be made out of paper as TLJ presented them.

            And when Luke shows up in the cave, nobody in the rebellion asks him: “how in the name of Ahch-To did you get in here ?” Cause that would have been very helpful piece of information in their situation, don’t you think ? Why not tell Leia that he was (alas) a projection and only there to buy time ? Why do the rebel need to **waste** time trying to figure out what was Luke up to if his purpose was to buy time ?!?! Furthermore, if Luke wanted to buy time, why tease Kylo ?? Doing so would have only made the discovery of him being merely a projection faster. Why not try to keep talking to him ???

            How did Poppins Leia open the door from outside with everybody around the door and nobody got sucked into space when that just happened a minute earlier ? So much for consistency …

            All of the above are only scratching the surface really. You can read for HOURS, let me say that again, for H-O-U-R-S questions like these on the web.

            Sure, all Star Wars movies had inconsistencies and plot holes but TLJ packs in so many of them that is just staggering ! TLJ is a riot of nonsense from start to finish !

      • No one said it had to be focused on Luke/Han/Leia, but it was a terrible idea to kill ALL of them. And guess what? Tons of people hated it, not just a handful. It didn’t ruin our childhood like Kevin Smith said but it was a bad way to end the franchise. Even mark Hamill said “That’s not my Luke.”

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        • I think the long term plan probably would have kept Leia alive as leader of the next Republic, but that got all messed up with Carrie Fisher’s death. Luke was never meant to be a leader of the Rebellion, and is why he never tried to help them reform it. He went off to start his Jedi School, and then lost it.

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          • Luke went off to start his Jedi School and then lost it. You’re right but for them to make that “Luke’s story” is extremely cheap and such a waste of the character. He could have and should have been a leader. Instead he was a poor man’s version of what happened to Yoda. This was a horrible story and disappointed every Star Wars fan I know of. The only people who weren’t disappointed were those who didn’t grow up with the franchise. Way to alienate your entire fan base. Good luck with your new one.

      • LMAO….best written? There are so many plot holes in that movie that it’s embarrassing. If you take out the first week (when it’s numbers were similar to TFA), Rogue One (a one-off spinoff prequel) actually outperformed TLJ.

        The trilogy wasn’t supposed to “focus” on Luke/Leia/Han, but considering they were the group that stopped the Empire, it would make sense that they needed to help the new generation learn to stand up and fight back (instead of spending all their time being Space Marry-Poppins and teat-milk sucker).

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        • I love the Mary Poppins crack. How exactly do you think the Force works in space? Which makes more sense in an environment with relatively little gravity: For Leia to move the entire ship to her, or for her to move herself back to the ship?

          She isn’t “flying” because you can’t fly when there is no atmosphere.

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          • The movie might as well have been re-branded “Harry Potter Wars”.

            We get it – you’re a blind apologist for an abjectly terrible film.

          • I’m pretty sure The Force doesn’t keep you from freezing in the vacuum of space or your lungs from exploding do to decompression.

        • Best written is extremely laughable. Like the following gem:

          “We’re going to win this war not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love!”

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          • Finn could’ve just answered: “Yeah, but we save what we love by fighting what we hate!” I mean, otherwise, why would Rose be signed up with the Resistance in the first place?

          • LOL…..I just watched a video by someone talking about the poor writing and they pointed out Finn ignoring that their plan had failed (which would lead to victory by the First Order) to say that “It was worth it” because they saved the horse race creatures. Then Rose takes off a saddle and says, “No, NOW it was worth it.”

            Just cringeworthy.

      • It really is the best. I’ve never had anyone who says “there are plot holes” actually coherently explain what those plot holes are supposed to be.

        Very tight store, incredibly coherent. Strongly themed. Ben’s path of succeeding the old, Rey’s path about coming from nothing and taking her rightful place, Fin’s story about the immorality of war and fighting for love instead of hate, and Poe’s story of stepping up into a leadership role were very focused and reinforced at multiple points.

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        • Plot holes big enough to drive a star destroyer through. Why “slow chase” the resistance knowing THEY have fuel issues and you don’t? Just light speed ahead and jump back in position to kill. Further, on the resistance side, why not use one of the other ships to do that kamikaze maneuver? Why go against he core values of the main protagonist of the series? Frankly, if after the astral projection, Luke instead raises the X-wing from the water (a little call back to ESB) and tells Ren through the force that he’s coming to kick his rear, we’d have two years to look forward to that fight. And instead of the core values being changed, it’s a simple crisis of confidence. Instead, all of the set up in TFA was carelessly tossed aside and I’m left wondering nothing. I have nothing inside that says “I can’t wait to see how this ends” because I’ve already lost interest. Will I see it? Sure, I’m a Star Wars fan and I’m invested this far, but I don’t see how this last movie is going to tie it all together. It just doesn’t feel like a continuation of the same saga……

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          • Of course, that doesn’t even begin to touch upon the Rose/Finn adventure…..which was pointless, and apparently to give them something to do so not everyone was just stuck on that ship waiting…..

          • The Rose/Finn “adventure” was actually a red herring in the overall story, in that the idea wouldn’t have worked anyway and was just another example of how Poe was acting like a hotshot pilot instead of a leader. Also, it was a means to an end to get Finn back on the First Order ship where he could again be confronted by Hux and Phasma. Notice how they weren’t calling him “Traitor” this time, but instead used the therm “Irregularity” or “bug” like it was a minor mistake instead of a potentially much bigger problem. Finn rising up from being just another mindless, faceless Stormtrooper to being one of the heroes of the Resistance is probably the most interesting stories going through Episode VII and into VIII and beyond into IX.

            If you use one of the earlier ships to Kamikaze the First Order, they don’t wait long enough to allow the pods to escape to the planet, which was the plan from the start. TFO would have seen the remaining ships as a threat, and attacked with much more vigor than simply letting their opponent slowly “bleed to death”. (Which was the smart tactic since it costs them nothing to be patient since they were unaware of the ability to cloak the escape pods.

            The core values of the protagonist of the series, you mean Luke? What values had he shown in the previous movies? A propensity to go off the handle a bit when someone hit an emotional soft spot, absolutely! Fans assume he became this all powerful and wise Jedi-zen master after RotJ, but who was there to teach him other than some Force ghosts. He was completely on his own trying to teach about something he actually knew very little about. Notice how Yoda in RotJ says both “When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be.” and then also “Pass on what you have learned.” Where does those sentences mean Luke should open a Jedi school? Yoda knew the Jedi way was not in balance with the Force, and that Luke should teach future Force users about both the Light and the Dark and how to maintain that balance. You know, like Rey is doing.

            Sure, if there were a Luke fight to look forward to that would be fun, but it would completely destroy Rey’s place in the saga. You and I both know Luke will be around in Episode IX, and remaining a mentor to Rey and allowing her to confront Ben is the only way for this trilogy to end.

            You know how in TFA, everyone basically just called out Poe as a next-gen Han Solo? Well, they took that character archetype, and said “What if Han Solo actually wanted to lead the Resistance? What would he have to change?” You are now finding out. Just charging head first with bravado may work in single circumstances, but cannot be the plan every single time. It showed up when Poe sent all the bombers (including Rose’s sister) to die destroying one ship, and showed up a 2nd time when Poe sent Finn and Rose on an impossible mission which almost got them both killed and/or imprisoned, and showed up a 3rd time (gotta love how Star Wars loves those threes!) when he tried to mutiny and take over the ship.

          • Tony – I agree with you. I actually enjoyed The Force Awakens and simply could not wait to find out what happened in TLJ. Who were Rey’s parents. How did she seem so “trained” at using a light sabre despite never holding one. Who are the knights of Ren. Who were all the guys standing in the rain with Kylo and who where they looking up at? Kind of wanted to know more about Snoke. Maybe not his entire life story but perhaps some additional bread crumbs. All these things were set up by JJ Abrams with the intent of being answered. Instead the new director just tossed it all aside and went his own way. That ruined the film for me. I also agree TLJ left nothing to look forward to. Probably starts off years later with Kylo leading the First Order and chasing the growing resistance. We will probably get Star Killer Base 2.0 as well.

      • By best written you mean that 2/3’s of the plotlines lead to no change in the actual plot? Clearly, you don’t understand how storytelling works so don’t pretend to know if it was well written or not.

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        • Why does the middle story in a series have to dramatically alter the plot?

          How many of the Harry Potter books dramatically altered the plot? None of them. Even when Harry and friends would win the day, it was always quite clear that Voldemort was always coming back, and Harry and he were always going to have to end it at some point. Everything in the middle was just a way to get from point A to point B in a series of outstanding adventures.

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          • That is what a middle act should do-move the story from point A to point B; however, this movie failed in that role. Basically we have a wormhole from Episode 7 to 9.

      • And TONS more hated many elements of it. Rookie continuity mistakes, (Making a blonde “Luke” have brown hair to appear younger), making a Leia who was blown into the vacuum of space by an explosion, somehow live and fly through space like a cartoon… just to name a few, and that by the way…. kills the “best written” theory.

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        • Have you seen Mark Hamill’s hair as he got older? It really was that brown before turning gray. Some people’s hair become shades darker before it starts coming out gray.

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          • You mean like the dirty blonde that he currently is… He has never had brown hair. Look at all his interviews, tv spots, etc. Good Grief…

      • I agree , I thought TLJ was the best film since Episode V. The problem with all those haters out there is that they complained that TFA was too much like ANH and then they went in a new direction and now they complain about that. They aren’t intellectually sophisticated enough to understand the nuances of The Last Jedi and they can’t go as deep as the script did. The film itself said, “Let the past go, kill it if you must”

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      • What?? Your name is “Make Sense” but you are not making any. I agree that this trilogy should be a handoff type of thing but why trash classic characters? Rian Johnson F’d up and that is the general consensus. His story was uneven and rushed. Why was Leia a “Space Ballarina” with all of a sudden new found “Jedi” powers? This film made significantly less than TFA which should not happen. It was more on par with the last Fast and Furious film which should also not happen. You can continue to babble about how clever the story was but it was not and the audiance said as much. After all the rightfully deserved critisim this film has had, I am waiting for Lucasfilm to back track on the non-Skywalker/Jedi trilogy they wanted to give to Rian Johnson. Disney/Lucasfilm better come up with a really good marketing campaign for Episode IX because alot of people have been turned off by TLJ. I will say right now, the initial boxoffice will be the lowest ever for a Star Wars movie when Episode IX comes out. Alot of people will wait to hear word of mouth before speading money on it. Disney has made new Star Wars releases no longer feel like a big event…

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      • Technically only about 48% of people liked the movie per Rotten Tomatoes. I am one of those who absolutely hated this movie. I have no problem with passing the torch but it could have been done in a better way. Here is an idea. Instead of the boring and pointless casino arc you instead have more about Luke. Start with his depressed state, then move to actually training Rey and caring about the world again, and then he confronts Snoke. The new actors could have taken supporting roles for one movie.

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        • That’s exactly what it should have been. An in the final act, of this film and on into the next, you see the newer characters take over the story. When you pass the torch, the one doing the passing should be running as well during the change over.

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          • I disagree. A good movie would be like by more that 48% of people. We all knew the torch needed to be passed. We just did not like how it was done.

      • Actually, TLJ was the least liked of any Star Wars film. The fan rating show as much, with below 50% approval.

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      • Myself, I’d say that TLJ is a strong contender for worst-written since Empire. Probably the messiest film in the entire saga. It doesn’t have the epic acting failures of the prequels, so there’s that.

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      • I’ve heard that this trilogy is still part of the “Skywalker” saga, hence the initial worry about Rogue One being successful. (No Jedi, no Skywalker until the last minute addition of Darth). Why build the audience up for the grand appearance of Luke and then have him be relatively unimportant to the growth of the story? (same thing goes for Snoke). Think about this. Other than Kylo’s backstory reveal, without Luke in TLJ, does the plot change at all? From what we saw in the movie, Rey probably could have messed around on Ahch To and learned what she eventually learned on her own, unlike on Dagobah where Luke needed that initial and deep intro to the Force. Rey seems to be picking it up on her own along the way. Then considering neither Fin nor Rey were instant kills vs Ren in TFW leads one to believe they may have had a chance against him together in this move as well. So again, nothing really advanced with this movie other than to show Leia has obviously been training, but with whom? Yes tons of people liked the movie. Tons of people liked the Prequel Trilogy as well (check the receipts). They all sold well because it’s Star Wars, however; just like the Prequels, if this trend keeps up, Episode IX could be the finale. I hope that does not happen. As of right now The Last Jedi was about as well written as Attack of the Clones. Hey Lucasfilm, do we need to secretly call George for some insight?

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      • the last jedi was terribly written, even more horribly realized. tons of people also voted for donald trump so what’s your point, the world is full of idiots. it was a BAD movie.

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      • Tons of people liked it ?!? ROFL ! You wish ! A few “grams” at best is more like it. But just to keep things in perspective, if a “ton of people” liked it, then several hundred thousands tons of other people hated it. Time to face it really: thise who praise the movie, are a minority. And a very tiny one that is. Just wake up, smell the roses and do a google or youtube search on “TLJ is a worst SW movie” kind of subject. You will find HOURS worth of watching of people complains and the subject is still not exhausted. Looks like it is set to become the movie most complained about/most hated ever.

        If the new Star Wars trilogy was NOT supposed to be about Luke/Leia/Han, they should have NOT put them into the movie. Simple as that. They are such iconic characters for this franchise that if they do appear in the movie, people won’t care much about any other character (which is exactly what happened in this case).

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      • Very, very well written script indeed. We see Rey walking towards Luke twice. For some reason. In case you missed it in TFA. Also Luke milking space hippos and doing pole jumping added a lot of depth to the story. Not to mention all that time spent with Maz Kanata explaining how to find the “master codebreaker” only for Finn and Rose to get a different one. So they can kill Phasma. Again. Phasma who apparently can teleport from one place of a hangar to another. And make TFO discover Resistance transports as if TFO does not already command a super-uber sophisticated and technologically advanced mega-colossal WAR (!!!) ship, with mind blowing scanning and tracking systems to discover them anyway. But at least Finn and Rose had a great time in Canto Bight, riding space unicorns, trashing everything around so the slaves can clean it up afterwards and build everything back once again. Job security I guess. Makes a ton of sense. Rey character greatly develops too, becoming the most powerful Jedi ever by the hardship of breathing air. And all ships have the same speed in this movie, don’t you know. Which makes bare bones transports the fastest ships in the galaxy. Let’s also quickly kill Admiral Akbar for no other reason than being Friday. Force ghost can now interact with the environment, would you believe that, which amazingly doesn’t make Luke angry that Yoda and Ben never helped him out in the past. Go figure ! And so on and so forth. Yes, yes, best ever written movie, best ever. A galactic masterpiece it is.

        Any Google or Youtube search about TLJ unfortunately returns an overwhelming number of articles dealing with its story plot holes, nonsense, idiocy and the blame that it killed the trilogy. But a ton of people like it nonetheless, as you said. Just too bad a few other hundreds of thousands of tons of people hate it. With passion.

        And in case anyone missed it, this trilogy is NOT about Luke/Leia/Han people. Yes, they are the iconic characters of this franchise, inseparable from it and therefore WILL POLARIZE ALL ATTENTION if they star in the movie regardless of any other character being created. However that will be fixed later via a PR campaign by telling people that orange is the new blue.

        Rock on !

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      • uhhh you would incorrect sir. TLJ was crap, destroyed everything we like about star wars, and killed off everything JJ set up in 7.

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    • At what point in Empire Strikes Back are Luke and Han in action together? Literally their only interactions are over com links, when Luke is unconscious in the snow after escaping the Wampa, and them visiting in the hospital. So really one face to face scene the entire movie. Kinda like The Last Jedi with Rey and Finn huh?

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      • Why do those interactions don’t count? The point MarleySantana is making is that they give the feeling of a team working together to beat the bad guy.

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        • Thank you much. That’s exactly my point. No so much focused on the specifics of were they shoulder to shoulder attacking the enemy. All parties involved were on Hoth together in the midst of the same fight. All parties were in Cloud City in the midst of the same fight. And those scenes led directly into when they did end up shoulder to shoulder in Jedi. With the way things are going, the heroes are all over the place. A parallel story could be written at some point to cover what the heroes don’t see. You the individual hurt the story by having them all over the place trying to be everywhere at all times. Even in the prequel trilogy, Clone Wars, and Rebels, the primary heroes are often working together. The character development gains from their interaction with one another.

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    • Yeah, the movie just sucked. However, there is still a little HOPE out there that they could recover it. The fact is those of us old enough to have grown up with the movie were all eager to see these sequels and hope it would answer questions. Not only did they not answer any questions that we had, not only did they leave us a bit more confused, but they essentially blew up what Star Wars had established. It was their fault too, based on how they teased us. It seemed like a series of GOTCHA moments.

      Remember they led us to believe these will happen….

      We will find out who snoke is….GOTCHA!!! No we won’t.
      Snoke is very important to the story….GOTCHA!!! No he isn’t.
      Ray is going to find out who her parents are in the reflection….GOTCHA!! No we won’t.
      Luke is going to return and restore the Jedi Order….GOTCHA!! No he won’t.
      Leia is going to have a graceful death, so we can all say a last goodbye to her and Carrie Fisher…….GOTCHA!!! No we won’t. They turned into character into a circus act which disrespected her character and turned Carrie Fisher into a bit of a joke.

      Those are just some of the things that TLJ did to the fans. Constantly pulling the rug from under us, along with a complete pointless story with Finn and Rose other than freeing horse dogs for about 15 minutes when they will be captured again. They then claimed their mission was all worth it now, even though there is a distinct possibility the entire resistance will be destroyed.

      The plot is basically:

      1. Spaceship chase
      2. Grumpy Luke
      3. Finn and Rose doing nothing
      4. Spaceship chase
      5. Floating Leia
      6. Grumpy Luke
      7. Finn and Rose doing nothing
      8. Spaceship chase
      9. Kylo gets a promotion
      10. Luke dies

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  3. They didn’t have to kill old characters to move forward. They didn’t have to reuse them at all. They just had to set the movies further in the past or future. Look at fan favorite KOTOR, which takes place 4000 years before the movies. It didn’t have the Skywalkers, it didn’t have the Empire, it just had decent writing. Which Disney cannot provide, because the imbecile in charge is a degenerate virtue-signaling feminist with zero creative talent.

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    • I was right with you until the last sentence. There are plenty of complaints to be levelled at the movie without resorting to the_donald-isms.

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      • She pushed that “the force is female” garbage. She made the writing team all-female. Doesn’t it smell funny to you? Oh well.

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  4. SW at it’s core was ALWAYS about the Skywalker family…ep1-3 Anikans turn to the dark side, ep 4-6 Luke becoming a hero and restoring his fathers soul. These last 3 are not even SW in my book.. they lack the depth of story and the solid storytelling connections of the originals , heck even 1-3 was better story telling.Disney is just greed, who cares is the story is good or even makes sense, they just want your dollars. Rey not being a Skywalker and redeeming Ben is a slap in the face to true SW fans

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    • And with Ben/Kylo being irredeemable, we are left with the fact that the Skywalker story is now about how 2 out of 3 generations were evil space Hitlers. Thanks Disney.

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  5. They had no excuse for messing up TLJ. Hamill was right there telling RJ how not to mess it up and RJ did the exact opposite. Zero sympathy for KK and RJ. They missed a once in a life time opportunity that will never come again.

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    • I like the guy, but why does Hamill get to suddenly become the authority on all things Star Wars? You don’t see Harrison Ford running around telling everyone what should have happened. Probably because he has an actual career outside of these movies. (Well, one that doesn’t rely on bit parts and voice acting)

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      • Hamill understands his character and cares about staying true to the character because he knows how important he is to fans. He did what they asked him to do but voiced his concerns when it was obvious they were going in the wrong direction. Everyone knows Harrison Ford doesn’t GAF.

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      • Because he’s one of the few left that was involved with both the original and new trilogy who seems to actually care about the mythology of Star Wars.

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  6. I really do feel like Rian Johnson was selfish and greedy, HE wanted the shock surprise of killing off the “main” villain, and HE wanted to be the one to send off Luke. RJ ignored any responsibility he had to being the steward to part 2 of a 3 part arc as well as part 8 of a 9 part story. (Like why invent a Holdo when you’ve got a perfectly good Lando waiting for the perfect moment to return?)

    Once TLJ is out on blu-ray/digital and fans binge the two new movies back to back, the shortcomings of TLJ will be that much more obvious. At the end of the day, the Hot Director Mad Libs approach was an utter failure and not plotting the arc of this trilogy from the start was a fatal, unforgivable error.

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  10. At the VERY LEAST, Luke needs to come back as a Force Ghost…. Very Stupid to kill him off in the same movie you re-introduce him.

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  11. If this whole mess could have been saved and they fired the voice of reason, that makes me even less likely to want to continue wasting my money on these movies.

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  13. Best written?More like soft and chewy on the outside terribly burnt on the inside.If they want SW more appealing to the new audiences,they should’ve killed the original cast on the first place.This ain’t my SW anymore. I would rather see the aftermath of Episode Six: A Star Wars Christmas Special.

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  14. The Last Joke is a heaping steaming pile of celluloid crap that stinks to high heaven. No amount of force ghost Luke will ever take away the stench of this terrible movie. 48% audience rating in RT with the critics ratings also falling. THE WORST EVER FOR A SW FILM! And don’t even try to come at me with the bot theory, that has been debunked. JJ will try to fix this (even though he says he approves of TLJ) but will fail. The storyline is shit and Disney will never change anything. Only when they see a decline in sales will they ever change and maybe not even then because Lucasfilm wants to appear they are not bending to fans critiques. The backlash is real and is not some small minority group like disney wants you ro believe. We shall see when Solo and especially E9 comes out. Although there are some crazy nut job fans out there that will probably go pay to see those films 1000 times just to try to stick it to the films haters. How pathetic. The Last Turd is the worst SW film of all, even worse than the holiday special!

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  15. 8 is a complete disaster for lovers of the franchise but its pretty clear what Disney wants to do, they want to create the star wars universe going forward. See marvel for more elaboration.

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  16. Turned out he was right, The Last Jedi, was a train wreck and complete destroyed the franchise for me. Why build a universe and complete ignore it when making a movie… The movie literally went against every one of the modern Star Wars books and the death of Luke was a disgrace to the character…

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  17. Seriously I would love for an alternative universe to open up similar to “Counterpart” so that they can actually make a good film for episode VIII. That movie was terrible. Luke’s character was completely destroyed and his unlimited potential as one of the strongest and most complete jedi’s was a complete waste.

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  18. Just re-posting my reply to someone so that others may read it. I’ve heard that this trilogy is still part of the “Skywalker” saga, hence the initial worry about Rogue One being successful. (No Jedi, no Skywalker, until the last minute addition of Darth). Why build the audience up for the grand appearance of Luke and then have him be relatively unimportant to the growth of the story? (same thing goes for Snoke). Think about this. Other than Kylo’s backstory reveal, without Luke in TLJ, does the plot change at all? From what we saw in the movie, Rey probably could have messed around on Ahch To and learned what she eventually learned on her own, unlike on Dagobah where Luke needed that initial and deep intro to the Force. Rey seems to be picking it up on her own along the way. Then considering neither Fin nor Rey were instant kills vs Ren in TFW leads one to believe they may have had a chance against him together in this move as well. So again, nothing really advanced with this movie other than to show Leia has obviously been training, but with whom? Yes tons of people liked the movie. Tons of people liked the Prequel Trilogy as well (check the receipts). They all sold well because it’s Star Wars, however; just like the Prequels, if this trend keeps up, Episode IX could be the finale. I hope that does not happen. As of right now The Last Jedi was about as well written as Attack of the Clones. Hey Lucasfilm, do we need to secretly call George for some insight?

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  19. i doubt anyone can fix the damage TLJ did…

    but sure hope JJ can salvage a good movie out of the mess he’s being handed

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  21. What’s your favorite Star Wars movie…
    A. The one where Luke meets Obi-Wan Kenobi and blows up the death star?
    B. The one where Luke trains with Yoda and finds out Vader is his father?
    C. The one where Luke becomes a stoic badass, saves Han, and later saves the galaxy?
    …or
    D. The one where Luke drinks alien breast milk, refuses to do anything, then dies.

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  22. Trim 20 mins off TLJ and it’s GREAT. Same with the prequels. PURE GOLD. The theatricals were just garbage – prequels and sequels.Trimmed up and edited properly though they’re all SO GOOD.

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  23. This movie is the beginning of the end of Disney’s Star Wars! And shines a true light on the BS of critic reviews! Rotten Tomatoes audience Scores are at 48% liked it versus 90% critics…you know why the big difference?

    Because the critics are “fake news”. BTW, keep in mind the audience reviews DIDN”T GET PAID to RATE TLJ!

    Here’s some perspective. John Carter which was declared a FLOP 9 days after its release BY Disney, something that had NEVER been done before…got 59% liked it audience rating! And John Carter had almost NO marketing AT ALL!

    Oh you know what else had just happened…you got it Disney was negotiating to buy or had bought Lucasfilm for 4 BILLION dollars!

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  24. in other words Colin’s ideas the fan would have actually liked and enjoyed and rallied behind. But they probably weren’t SJW feministy enough for Kennedy and his cronies. I used to think Colin was being a douche but after seeing where they want to take Star Wars and the crap that Rian Johnson spewed out, he was probably on the right track. Killing Snoke and Luke were absolutely stupid decisions. Colin was totally right.

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