• Pop Culture
    • Movies
    • Television
    • Comic Books
    • Video Games
    • Toys & Collectibles
  • Features
    • News
    • Reviews
    • Articles and Opinions
    • Interviews
    • Exclusives
    • FMTV on YouTube
  • About
    • About Flickering Myth
    • Write for Flickering Myth
    • Advertise on Flickering Myth
  • Socials
    • Facebook
    • X
    • Instagram
    • Flipboard
    • Bluesky
    • Linktree
  • Terms
    • Terms of Use
    • Privacy Policy

Flickering Myth

Geek Culture | Movies, TV, Comic Books & Video Games

  • News
  • Reviews
  • Articles & Opinions
  • The Baby in the Basket
  • Death Among the Pines

Kevin Smith claims Joker originally had a much darker alternative ending

January 1, 2020 by Gary Collinson

While Warner Bros. and DC Films’ Joker wasn’t the most cheerful of films to begin with, filmmaker and comic book fan Kevin Smith has claimed that the movie originally had an ever bleaker ending – one that would have seen Joaquin Phoenix’s Arthur Fleck gunning down not only Thomas and Martha Wayne, but poor young Bruce Wayne himself.

“Somebody, I can’t say who told me, somebody told me…did you hear what the ending is supposed to be?” said Smith on his Fatman Beyond podcast. “I hope this is true, man, because I was like, “what the fuck?!” This is what I’m told by someone who works in the business and they’re in the know…I don’t know where he got it but it’s reliable information.”

“[Arthur Fleck] is in the hospital and he laughs, chuckles, and he says, ‘I was just thinking of something funny,'” Smith continues. “What was supposed to happen was you flashed back to the death of Thomas and Martha Wayne and it was him killing Thomas and Martha Wayne and the boy was screaming and crying and he turned to walk away and he turned back, shrugged, and shot the kid. Credits.’ What the fuck, man? Would you imagine, that’s literally the biggest fuck you to the audience. This world has no Batman, it’s all Joker’s. That’s so intense, I would have been outraged as a Batman fan and elated as a fan of film. “You ballsy motherfucker, you did it.’ But they didn’t do it.”

SEE ALSO: Joker home entertainment release details and special features revealed

As Smith notes, killing young Bruce Wayne would certainly have been a ballsy move on Todd Phillips’ part, and one that would firmly have shut the door on any speculation about a possible Batman appearance in a future Joker movie. What do you make of this alleged alternate ending? Let us know in the comments below, or on social media @FlickeringMyth…

Joker stars Joaquin Phoenix (The Sisters Brothers), Robert De Niro (Goodfellas), Zazie Beetz (Deadpool 2), Bill Camp (Red Sparrow), Frances Conroy (American Horror Story), Brett Cullen (Narcos), Glenn Fleshler (Billions), Douglas Hodge (Penny Dreadful), Marc Maron (GLOW), Josh Pais (Motherless Brooklyn), Shea Whigham (Kong: Skull Island), Douglas Hodge (Robin Hood) and Dante Pereira-Olson (You Were Never Really Here).

Filed Under: Gary Collinson, Movies, News Tagged With: DC, Joker, Kevin Smith

About Gary Collinson

Gary Collinson is a film, TV and digital content producer and writer who is the Editor-in-Chief of the pop culture website Flickering Myth and producer of the gothic horror feature 'The Baby in the Basket' and suspense thriller 'Death Among the Pines'.

FMTV – Watch Our Latest Video Here

YOU MIGHT ALSO LIKE:

The Best 90s and 00s Horror Movies That Rotten Tomatoes Hate!

The Return of Cameron Diaz: Her Best Movies Worth Revisiting

10 Actors Who Almost Became James Bond

The Prisoner: The Classic British TV Series Revisited

Chilling Retro Games to Play This Halloween

The Bourne Difference: The Major Book vs Movie Changes

The Most Obscure and Underrated Slasher Movies of the 1980s

Lock, Stock and The Essential Guy Ritchie Movies

The Erotic Horror Renaissance of the 1990s: Where Cinemax Met Creature Features

10 Badass Action Movies You Might Have Missed

FLICKERING MYTH FILMS

 

Top Stories:

Movie Review – Wake Up Dead Man: A Knives Out Mystery (2025)

Street Fighter movie trailer and posters introduce us to iconic videogame characters

Movie Review – The President’s Cake (2025)

Movie Review – Goodbye June (2025)

10 Forgotten Erotic Thrillers Worth Revisiting

Movie Review – Ella McCay (2025)

Daisy Ridley on Star Wars: New Jedi Order and cancelled The Hunt for Ben Solo

More LEGO Star Wars Winter 2026 sets officially revealed

Movie Review – Fackham Hall (2025)

Movie Review – Dust Bunny (2025)

FLICKERING MYTH FILMS

 

FEATURED POSTS:

8 Great Recent Films You Really Need To See

The 10 Best Villains in Sylvester Stallone Movies

10 Essential DC Movies

Speed: The Story Behind the Pulse-Pounding Action-Thriller

  • Pop Culture
    • Movies
    • Television
    • Comic Books
    • Video Games
    • Toys & Collectibles
  • Features
    • News
    • Reviews
    • Articles and Opinions
    • Interviews
    • Exclusives
    • FMTV on YouTube
  • About
    • About Flickering Myth
    • Write for Flickering Myth
    • Advertise on Flickering Myth
  • Socials
    • Facebook
    • X
    • Instagram
    • Flipboard
    • Bluesky
    • Linktree
  • Terms
    • Terms of Use
    • Privacy Policy

© Flickering Myth Limited. All rights reserved. The reproduction, modification, distribution, or republication of the content without permission is strictly prohibited. Movie titles, images, etc. are registered trademarks / copyright their respective rights holders. Read our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. If you can read this, you don't need glasses.


 

Flickering MythLogo Header Menu
  • News
  • Reviews
  • Articles and Opinions
  • The Baby in the Basket
  • Death Among the Pines
  • About Flickering Myth
  • Write for Flickering Myth